标题：Taiji is changing me in a weird way...

[table=92%] [tr] [td] [table] [tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td][/td] [td=1,1,175] Hey, zhaobao3in1, you have 31 messages. Sep 30th, 2006, 8:55pm [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr][tr] [td] [table] [tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td] Home Help Search Members Profile Notification Logout[/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr][tr] [td] [table] [tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td] emptyFlower Forum « Taiji is changing me in a weird way... »[/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr][/table] [table] [tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td=2,1] emptyFlower Forum Chinese Internal Martial Arts Xingyiquan - Baguazhang - Taijiquan (Moderator: xxxxx) Taiji is changing me in a weird way...[/td] [td]« Previous topic | Next topic »[/td] [/tr][/table][table=98%] [tr] [td] [table] [tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td]Pages: 1 2 3 [/td] [td] Reply Notify of replies Send Topic Print [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr][/table][table=98%] [tr] [td] [table] [tr] [td=1,1,20%] Author[/td] [td] Topic: Taiji is changing me in a weird way... (Read 764 times)[/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr][/table]"[table=98%] [tr] [td] [table] [tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td=1,2,20%] Eisenhans San Ti "Cause I got a fist and you only got a face Gender: Posts: 10 [/td] [td] [table] [tr] [td][/td] [td] Taiji is changing me in a weird way... « on: Sep 29th, 2006, 4:36pm »[/td] [td] Quote Modify [/td] [/tr] [/table] First off, I"m a newbie, so please bear with me. Ok, I"ll make this short: Because of several injuries I got from doing Goju ryu Karatefull-contact style (too young, too eager, we all know the story) Istarted Yang Style Taiji - a Chinese pal of mine got me in a schoolwith a stereotypical old Chinese master and I thought "Well, it can"thurt." And it didn"t. On the plus side, all my injuries are either completely gone or gone as long as I run the forms daily. However, after 1 year or so, several changes in body composition took place, most of which I can summarize by saying: I got a f*ckload bigger. We"re talking about a gain of 30 kg or 66 lbsin 1,5 years, in which I practically did nothing but Taiji. That meansI went from sinewy guy with small bones to a stocky, muscular buildwith wide hips and shoulders, big thighs and bigger wrists (gainedabout 1 inch on the wrist alone). Ok, the first thought waslike "Holy F*ck, I got fat". Although my muscular definition didn"treally get worse since when I stopped Karate, I tried conventionalcardio, High Intensity, Low Carb diets, Low Fat diets, HIIT, even Yoga- in short, practically anything I could think of (I had been abodybuilder before Karate so I could think of a lot) and nothingworked. I didn"t gain or lose weight at all. Ok, whatever, how about doing some heavy exercising to make use of all that growth? Although I now weighed about 231 lbs or 105 kg, it was easy to doone-armed pushups or even chin ups, almost scary easy (went up to 20push ups on each arm in 2 weeks). What about abs? Well, Ihave a good washbaord if I tense up in hard light, not so much in softlight, but that had always been my problem, even when doing hours ofKarate. Actually, some parts (arms, legs) were even better defined thanback then. Not to talk about punching and kicking walls - andactually putting holes in them (not solid walls, mind you) or ruiningmy wooden floor by stomping on it very hard (there was a bigspider...). However, when I stopped doing Taiji because ofproblems with my gf (yeah, I"m still young.... more or less), I lost~33 lbs or 15 kg in two weeks (!). So I guess, Taiji is the"culprit" here, since eating and even exercising didn"t change myweight one pound. Not even quarter of a pound. So, what"sthe matter? Of course, you could argue that being heavy and muscularisn"t bad at all, but people are afraid of me because the way I look(=wide) and it is a bit strange for me to look into the mirror and seea 22 inch shoulder width where there were small shoulders before. Of course, I asked my teacher about it and he more or less said"Strange.... well, whatever" (in his own, difficult to understandChinese accent) and frankly, I never even heard of such a weight gain. I haven"t been to classes a long time because of personal reasons now,but the weight gain continues as long as I do my forms everyday. Rightnow, I haven"t done anything but heavy cardio for two weeks and againlost 10 kg or 22 lbs - but since I did it again yesterday and the daybefore, today the scales showed 5 kg or 11 lbs more. Thisis crazy. So, I"d like to know if this will be detrimental to my healthif it continues (I already noticed I need a sh*tload of food and waternow) or if it is "ok" or even "excellent". Also: What is happening to me? My Training consists of: Qi Gong (a set I"ve never seen before) - 15 min Warm Up (Joint rotations) - 5 min Taiji Techniques (like Karate kihon) - 10 min The first half of Yang Style Beijing Form ~ 20 min And exercising if I have the nerve for it (=if I want to impress or threaten the tough guys on the street). Sorry for the long first post and the swear-words, but I am agitatedand, to be honest, a little bit afraid. Also, English is not my firstlanguage, as you probably noticed. [/td] [/tr][tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td]« Last Edit: Sep 29th, 2006, 4:37pm by Eisenhans »[/td] [td] Logged[/td] [/tr] [/table] Kill them all, let God sort them out. [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr][/table]"[table=98%] [tr] [td] [table] [tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td=1,2,20%] Shooter Great Old One I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 1915 [/td] [td] [table] [tr] [td][/td] [td] Re: Taiji is changing me in a weird way... « Reply #1 on: Sep 29th, 2006, 4:42pm »[/td] [td] Quote Modify [/td] [/tr] [/table] see a doctor [/td] [/tr][tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td] [/td] [td] Logged[/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr][/table]"[table=98%] [tr] [td] [table] [tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td=1,2,20%] thebadjetli Anjing I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 111 [/td] [td] [table] [tr] [td][/td] [td] Re: Taiji is changing me in a weird way... « Reply #2 on: Sep 29th, 2006, 4:42pm »[/td] [td] Quote Modify [/td] [/tr] [/table] That all the "chi" you acquired...lol...or maybe just maturing?? [/td] [/tr][tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td] [/td] [td] Logged[/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr][/table]"[table=98%] [tr] [td] [table] [tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td=1,2,20%] Eisenhans San Ti "Cause I got a fist and you only got a face Gender: Posts: 10 [/td] [td] [table] [tr] [td][/td] [td] Re: Taiji is changing me in a weird way... « Reply #3 on: Sep 29th, 2006, 4:45pm »[/td] [td] Quote Modify [/td] [/tr] [/table] I did see a doctor, but she more or less didn"t know what the f*ck.Except she said my bodyfat is too low, I should never even think aboutdieting and also that I look like I have air in my belly (don"t knowthe proper medical term in English, sorry) when I don"t stand upstraight. She proceeded to pound on my belly with her fingers and then scrapped the theory about air. She could only say that this is unusual, especially the weight-gain. Then she put her finger up my butt, but that is another story. I hate doctors. @thebadjetli: I"m 27 now. I guess my maturing was more or less done years ago. [/td] [/tr][tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td]« Last Edit: Sep 29th, 2006, 4:46pm by Eisenhans »[/td] [td] Logged[/td] [/tr] [/table] Kill them all, let God sort them out. [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr][/table]"[table=98%] [tr] [td] [table] [tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td=1,2,20%] thebadjetli Anjing I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 111 [/td] [td] [table] [tr] [td][/td] [td] Re: Taiji is changing me in a weird way... « Reply #4 on: Sep 29th, 2006, 4:57pm »[/td] [td] Quote Modify [/td] [/tr] [/table] hum interesting then isn"t it? [/td] [/tr][tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td] [/td] [td] Logged[/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr][/table]"[table=98%] [tr] [td] [table] [tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td=1,2,20%] Bailewen Great Old One [img=65,65]http://img316.photo.163.com/bailewen/25423392/__scale__1_1066103323.jpg[/img] The Baji Bomber of Xi"an. Gender: Posts: 4741 [/td] [td] [table] [tr] [td][/td] [td] Re: Taiji is changing me in a weird way... « Reply #5 on: Sep 29th, 2006, 5:03pm »[/td] [td] Quote Modify [/td] [/tr] [/table] on Sep 29th, 2006, 4:45pm, Eisenhans wrote:[table=90%][tr][td][table][tr][td][font=Arial,Helvetica] @thebadjetli: I"m 27 now. I guess my maturing was more or less done years ago. [/font][/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table] Not even close. You"re body ain"t "finished" untill you hit your 30"s at least. Same thing happened to me. Might be the training. Could also be justthat I"m 36 now. I was still "wirey" at 27. At 36 I"m just plain big.Not huge or anything but I"m talking, yeah, not just putting on weight,but like shoulder cradle getting wider. It"s part of where some peopleget "dad strength". lol [/font] [/td] [/tr][tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td] [/td] [td] Logged[/td] [/tr] [/table] "sell your cleverness and buy back your bewilderment" Rumi www.truthmartialarts.org [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr][/table]"[table=98%] [tr] [td] [table] [tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td=1,2,20%] Shooter Great Old One I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 1915 [/td] [td] [table] [tr] [td][/td] [td] Re: Taiji is changing me in a weird way... « Reply #6 on: Sep 29th, 2006, 5:03pm »[/td] [td] Quote Modify [/td] [/tr] [/table] OK, kidding aside, daily practice with honest effort could be the reason, simple as that I lost a little more than 2 inches off my upper arms and gained 4inches on my thighs after about a year when I first started practicingtjq. Got a lot more defined all over as well with no real change indiet or eating habits. [/td] [/tr][tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td] [/td] [td] Logged[/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr][/table]"[table=98%] [tr] [td] [table] [tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td=1,2,20%] Peacedog San Ti I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 46 [/td] [td] [table] [tr] [td][/td] [td] Re: Taiji is changing me in a weird way... « Reply #7 on: Sep 29th, 2006, 5:06pm »[/td] [td] Quote Modify [/td] [/tr] [/table] Hi all, I"ve seen this kind of thing before although usually not to the degree that is being talked about here. Tai chi chuan when properly done tends to result in the bodypressurizing from from the inside. The classic soft on the outside buthard or full on the inside. I"ve also seen this from doing certainkinds of chi kung as well. Generally speaking long termtai chi practitioners tend to have a pear shaped body with a thickwaist. Xing Yi practitioners tend to be hard on the outside and emptyon the inside. Or in more English terms well muscled with a tightexternal physique and hollow on the inside. Ba gua guys tend to have thinner lanky frames that have a great deal of flexibilty. Granted, there are exceptions to all of this as well, but htis is generally what I have seen. Changes in mental state also tend to accompany serious practice of these styles as well. I quit practicing tai chi because it was making changes to my bodyand mind that I didn"t like. When I was practicing my body was verypear shaped and I weighed about 210 lbs. My practice was very soft butfast and I had tremendous physical strength. I walked away from aparachute failure without injury that caused me to fall 30 feetstraight down. Practice wise I got to the point that when doing thelong form the energy from the form would literally slam me through allof the forms and postures as if I was riding a powerful wave. It tookno actual effort on my part and I would do the entire long form in lessthan eight minutes. Afterwards my hands would shakefor up to three hours at a time due to all of the energy racing throughmy system. Also when doing other martial arts with people I was almostimpossible to throw and most blows to the body simply bounced offwithout hurting. My practice at the time consisted ofabout 1 1/2 hours of chi gung/neigung followed by about an hour or soof the long form. I had also been practicing holding posture for a fewyears before this. The chi gung and posture holding used alot chicirculations using the mind and this definately aided the process. Mentally speaking I was very reactive and easy to set off. Thisresulted in my getting into alot of arguements and fights. I also wouldsometimes go a few days at a time without sleeping and usally got by on2 to 4 hours of sleep a night. My practice now tend tocenter around something that I call Old Style Ba Gua. Imagine xing yitype power development that utilizes alot of circle walking. It makesme feel good and keeps me fit as well without the overt agressiveness. Just my experience, Peacedog [/td] [/tr][tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td] [/td] [td] Logged[/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr][/table]"[table=98%] [tr] [td] [table] [tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td=1,2,20%] Eisenhans San Ti "Cause I got a fist and you only got a face Gender: Posts: 10 [/td] [td] [table] [tr] [td][/td] [td] Re: Taiji is changing me in a weird way... « Reply #8 on: Sep 29th, 2006, 5:06pm »[/td] [td] Quote Modify [/td] [/tr] [/table] @Bailewen: Still, would be quite funny to start "going wide" as soon as doing Taiji, then stopping and reverting when I stop Taiji. Also, according to doctors, I should"ve stopped growing and maturingstuff by 21. The doc that told me this was medical support for theGerman wrestling team back then. I mean, yeah, the body works in funny ways, but this...? If it is maturing, however, then I look forward to being 6 feet and 250 lbs haha @Peacedog: So, it is *kinda" normal? That"s a relief - well at least I won"t kill myself by continuing training. And the "easy to set off" feeling.... I noticed that, too. Wasn"t Taiji supposed to make you calm? Ok, if it is ok.... anyone got good recipes for upping my calories? [/td] [/tr][tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td]« Last Edit: Sep 29th, 2006, 5:10pm by Eisenhans »[/td] [td] Logged[/td] [/tr] [/table] Kill them all, let God sort them out. [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr][/table]"[table=98%] [tr] [td] [table] [tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td=1,2,20%] mawali Huajing I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 370 [/td] [td] [table] [tr] [td][/td] [td] Re: Taiji is changing me in a weird way... « Reply #9 on: Sep 29th, 2006, 5:12pm »[/td] [td] Quote Modify [/td] [/tr] [/table] Eizen, That is why taiji is recommended for people who are immunity impaired.It is a low impact, low intensity routine and you will put on weightbecause of that. If you are younger and accustomed to a high energy workout, you will not never get that with present taijiquan practice. You will need a higher intensity workout and go to Chen style doing 30-40 repetitions daily for the rest of your life! [/td] [/tr][tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td] [/td] [td] Logged[/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr][/table]"[table=98%] [tr] [td] [table] [tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td=1,2,20%] Eisenhans San Ti "Cause I got a fist and you only got a face Gender: Posts: 10 [/td] [td] [table] [tr] [td][/td] [td] Re: Taiji is changing me in a weird way... « Reply #10 on: Sep 29th, 2006, 5:18pm »[/td] [td] Quote Modify [/td] [/tr] [/table] @mawali: I *did* hard cardio (HIIT, hill sprints, boxing, etc.) and it didnothing. When I do the Taebo series (hey, sorry, I hate running enoughto taint myself by using this travesty of a martial art) I don"t evensweat until the hardest tapes. So, if Chen Style is reallyeven harder cardio than all this - wow. I should really check it out.But there are no good teachers here, afaik (Cologne area). [/td] [/tr][tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td] [/td] [td] Logged[/td] [/tr] [/table] Kill them all, let God sort them out. [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr][/table]"[table=98%] [tr] [td] [table] [tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td=1,2,20%] onyomi Huajing Praying Mantis is Internal Too! Gender: Posts: 310 [/td] [td] [table] [tr] [td][/td] [td] Re: Taiji is changing me in a weird way... « Reply #11 on: Sep 29th, 2006, 5:19pm »[/td] [td] Quote Modify [/td] [/tr] [/table] Maybe Taiji and qigong increase your appetite? Reminds me of all thosestories of masters who are sickly as children then suddenly becomerobust and healthy when they learn martial arts. The ancient Chinesewould probably say you"ve just gotten healthier... I"d say to think ofit as a good thing so long as you feel healthy, your body fat doesn"tincrease a lot, and all your medical tests show no problem. [/td] [/tr][tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td] [/td] [td] Logged[/td] [/tr] [/table] 師父領進門，修行在個人。 [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr][/table]"[table=98%] [tr] [td] [table] [tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td=1,2,20%] Pawa-eri-to Great Old One I will destroy your skill! Posts: 608 [/td] [td] [table] [tr] [td][/td] [td] Re: Taiji is changing me in a weird way... « Reply #12 on: Sep 29th, 2006, 5:20pm »[/td] [td] Quote Modify [/td] [/tr] [/table] on Sep 29th, 2006, 5:06pm, Eisenhans wrote:[table=90%][tr][td][table][tr][td][font=Arial,Helvetica]@Bailewen: Still, would be quite funny to start "going wide" as soon as doing Taiji, then stopping and reverting when I stop Taiji. Also, according to doctors, I should"ve stopped growing and maturingstuff by 21. The doc that told me this was medical support for theGerman wrestling team back then. I mean, yeah, the body works in funny ways, but this...? If it is maturing, however, then I look forward to being 6 feet and 250 lbs haha @Peacedog: So, it is *kinda" normal? That"s a relief - well at least I won"t kill myself by continuing training. And the "easy to set off" feeling.... I noticed that, too. Wasn"t Taiji supposed to make you calm? Ok, if it is ok.... anyone got good recipes for upping my calories? [/font][/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table] Many meditative practices can lead to a period of "easy to set off" Dowhat you can and keep practicing. If the problem continues for a longtime then you probably need to change something. [/font] [/td] [/tr][tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td] [/td] [td] Logged[/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr][/table]"[table=98%] [tr] [td] [table] [tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td=1,2,20%] Eisenhans San Ti "Cause I got a fist and you only got a face Gender: Posts: 10 [/td] [td] [table] [tr] [td][/td] [td] Re: Taiji is changing me in a weird way... « Reply #13 on: Sep 29th, 2006, 5:26pm »[/td] [td] Quote Modify [/td] [/tr] [/table] @onyomi: Yeah, of course. Common sense tells us that what doesn"t hurt you at all and makes you stronger is probably good news. But it is scary to gain so much weight in such a short time. I have tobe careful not to hurt others or myself or breaking stuff, because thefeeling in my body is still like "I weigh 154 lbs". @Pawa-eri-to: I noticed I fly off the hook if I get treated unfairly or see othersget treated unfairly. While this may sound good in a nerdy way, itreally isn"t, nowadays at least. So, I hope it changes. As Isaid, people are afraid and that doesn"t sit well with me, since I nowlook like a troublemaker but don"t want to get into trouble at all. [/td] [/tr][tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td] [/td] [td] Logged[/td] [/tr] [/table] Kill them all, let God sort them out. [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr] [/table] [/td] [/tr][/table]"[table=98%] [tr] [td] [table] [tr] [td] [table=98%] [tr] [td=1,2,20%] Bailewen Great Old One [img=65,65]http://img316.photo.163.com/bailewen/25423392/__scale__1_1066103323.jpg[/img] The Baji Bomber of Xi"an. Gender: Posts: 4741 [/td] [td] [table] [tr] [td][/td] [td] Re: Taiji is changing me in a weird way... « Reply #14 on: Sep 29th, 2006, 5:30pm »[/td] [td] Quote Modify [/td] [/tr] [/table] on Sep 29th, 2006, 5:06pm, Eisenhans wrote:[table=90%][tr][td][table][tr][td][font=Arial,Helvetica] Also, according to doctors, I should"ve stopped growing and maturingstuff by 21. The doc that told me this was medical support for theGerman wrestling team back then. I mean, yeah, the body works in funny ways, but this...? If it is maturing, however, then I look forward to being 6 feet and 250 lbs haha [/font][/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table] Sometimes you just gotta **** what the doctors say. I"ve never heard ofsomeone continuing to get taller after their 20 or so but, forinstance, LOT"s of people don"t turn into hairy chested apes untillmuch later. Clearly there are more hormonal changes ahead. Ipersonally prefer to think of it like Shooter and attribute it to thetraining but as you said, the body is funny. 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