标题：Zhaobao - Pushing hand , Chinese Jiao, Sanda

[table=98%][tr][td=1,2,20%]zhaobao3in1 Huajing I love Zhaobao Taichi Posts: 418 [/color][/td][td=1,1,80%][table=98%][tr][td][/td][td]Zhaobao - Pushing hand , Chinese Jiao, Sanda « on: Aug 24th, 2006, 5:56pm »[/td][td] Quote Modify[/size] Remove[/size] [/size][/td][/tr][/table]This is video is in Chinese , but really nice , so I put it for you guys , it"s partially of my Shiye Lisuicheng"s introduction . In the clip Master Li Suicheng explained the relationship of pushing hand , Chinese Jiao and Sanda . And some students" training , very nice ! http://www.6rooms.com/watch/71023.html [/td][/tr][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td][/td][td] Logged[/td][/tr][/table]English site : http://www.putfile.com/tuishoudao Chinese site : http://www.tuishoudao.com [/td][/tr][/table][table=98%][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td=1,2,20%]mixjourneyman Great Old One dance around in your bones. Gender: Posts: 651 [/td][td=1,1,80%][table=98%][tr][td][/td][td]Re: Zhaobao - Pushing hand , Chinese Jiao, Sanda « Reply #1 on: Aug 24th, 2006, 6:46pm »[/td][td] Quote Modify [/td][/tr][/table]That was wonderfull, thanks for sharing. [/td][/tr][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td][/td][td] Logged[/td][/tr][/table]Amazing kweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee powah from the flowah! [/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table][table=98%][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td=1,2,20%]johnwang Great Old One [img=65,65]http://johnswang.com/spikes_ring.jpg[/img] I don"t do sport and I don"t play fair Gender: Posts: 6044 [/td][td=1,1,80%][table=98%][tr][td][/td][td]Re: Zhaobao - Pushing hand , Chinese Jiao, Sanda « Reply #2 on: Aug 24th, 2006, 7:07pm »[/td][td] Quote Modify [/size][/td][/tr][/table]Good explaination and I also agree that - Start sparring after 1 year. - Too much theory are useless. - Close your door and train by yourself for 10 years is waste of time. - With combat in mind in the early stage will speed up your progress (spend 1/2 effort and obtain full result). [/td][/tr][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td]« Last Edit: Aug 24th, 2006, 7:11pm by johnwang »[/td][td] Logged[/td][/tr][/table]It"s time for US to do something good for the "world peace". http://johnswang.com [/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table][table=98%][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td=1,2,20%]Andy_S Great Old One I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 2042 [/td][td=1,1,80%][table=98%][tr][td][/td][td]Re: Zhaobao - Pushing hand , Chinese Jiao, Sanda « Reply #3 on: Aug 24th, 2006, 7:30pm »[/td][td] Quote Modify [/td][/tr][/table]Excellent stuff. Looks like the Zhaobao boys are really out to make a name for themselves. And if they are practicing Taiji like this, good luck to "em. [/td][/tr][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td][/td][td] Logged[/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table][table=98%][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td=1,2,20%]Andy_S Great Old One I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 2042 [/td][td=1,1,80%][table=98%][tr][td][/td][td]Re: Zhaobao - Pushing hand , Chinese Jiao, Sanda « Reply #4 on: Aug 24th, 2006, 7:30pm »[/td][td] Quote Modify[/size] [/size][/td][/tr][/table]Excellent stuff. Looks like the Zhaobao boys are really out to make a name for themselves. And if they are practicing Taiji like this...good luck to "em. [/td][/tr][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td][/td][td] Logged[/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table][table=98%][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td=1,2,20%]zhaobao3in1 Huajing I love Zhaobao Taichi Posts: 418 [/td][td=1,1,80%][table=98%][tr][td][/td][td]Re: Zhaobao - Pushing hand , Chinese Jiao, Sanda « Reply #5 on: Aug 24th, 2006, 8:25pm »[/td][td] Quote Modify[/size] [color=#660000] Remove[/size] [/size][/td][/tr][/table]on Aug 24th, 2006, 7:07pm, [color=#660000]johnwang wrote: [table=90%][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td][font=Arial,Helvetica]Good explaination and I also agree that - Start sparring after 1 year. - Too much theory are useless. - Close your door and train by yourself for 10 years is waste of time. - With combat in mind in the early stage will speed up your progress (spend 1/2 effort and obtain full result). [/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table] Thanks and Welcome people to Xi"an to have more communication . - Communication and real compete is a important way to improve skills . [/size][/td][/tr][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td][/td][td] Logged[/td][/tr][/table]English site : http://www.putfile.com/tuishoudao Chinese site : http://www.tuishoudao.com [/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table][table=98%][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td=1,2,20%]moondog Anjing [img=65,65]http://chineseculture.about.com/library/symbol/small/spirit.gif[/img] bejing fight club Gender: Posts: 182 [/td][td=1,1,80%][table=98%][tr][td][/td][td]Re: Zhaobao - Pushing hand , Chinese Jiao, Sanda « Reply #6 on: Aug 24th, 2006, 10:10pm »[/td][td] Quote Modify [/td][/tr][/table]great vid. i didn"t understand what he was saying about 3 months, 6 months, and 9 months, my chinese is getting really rusty. all i got was that after a year you should start sparring. you should post this vid on other forums, show"em that this kind of training in taiji exists. might be better to edit the video a bit to make it a little shorter, a lot of people switch off after a few minutes because they can"t understand chinese. [/td][/tr][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td][/td][td] Logged[/td][/tr][/table]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Beijing_Fight_Club [/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table][table=98%][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td=1,2,20%]johnwang Great Old One [img=65,65]http://johnswang.com/spikes_ring.jpg[/img] I don"t do sport and I don"t play fair Gender: Posts: 6044 [/td][td=1,1,80%][table=98%][tr][td][/td][td]Re: Zhaobao - Pushing hand , Chinese Jiao, Sanda « Reply #7 on: Aug 24th, 2006, 11:44pm »[/td][td] Quote Modify[/size] [/size][/td][/tr][/table]on Aug 24th, 2006, 8:25pm, zhaobao3in1 wrote: [table=90%][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td][font=Arial,Helvetica]- Communication and real compete is a important way to improve skills . [/font][/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table] zhaobao3in1: Many respect to Taiji master Li Suicheng. I have to say that this clip has earned all my respect. I just can"t believe that someone in China share the same feeling as I do. Now even if all EF members don"t agree with me on this issue (SC and Taiji integration), I still won"t feel lonely any more. This clip has changed all my wrong impression about the Taiji development in China. I"ll give all my support on this. on Aug 24th, 2006, 10:10pm, moondog wrote: [table=90%][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td][font=Arial,Helvetica]i didn"t understand what he was saying about 3 months, 6 months, and 9 months, [/font][/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table] Here are some Chinese translation. - Health is the body and combat is the soul. - If your Taiji teacher can give you simple answer then he is a good teacher. If he gave you a lot of theory, fairy tale then he is a bad teacher and fake. - Some bad teachers brought some theory into Taiji that has nothing to do with CMA. - If you talk about combat but with no tournament or free sparring experience then you are "Fighting war on paper". - Suggested training progress as the following: - Train 2 to 3 hours per day. 3 month later you should have some basic and endurance. - 6 month later you should know the forms and normal combat skill. - 9 month later you should be able to win against people who have no MA training. - 1 year later, you should be strong enough and with good skill. It"s time to test yourself in tournament - If you don"t receive this kind of progress after 1 year then you should find different teacher. - The truth can be as short as one sentence. The false can be as many as 10,000 books. - Push hands and Sanshou are twin brothers. - Throwing require higher level skill than striking. - If a guy is good in throwing then it may only take him 1 year to learn striking in order to be good in Sanshou. - If a guy is good in striking then it may take him more than 3 years to learn throwing in order to get into Sanshou. - The path between Taiji PH and SC wrestling are different but they both reach to the same destination. - Chuan + SC = high level skill. - SC Fajin + SC Tinjin = Taiji Fajin + Taiji tinjin = high level SC skill = high level Taiji skill. [/font][/td][/tr][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td]« Last Edit: Aug 25th, 2006, 12:31am by johnwang »[/td][td] Logged[/td][/tr][/table]It"s time for US to do something good for the "world peace". http://johnswang.com [/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table][table=98%][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td=1,2,20%]moondog Anjing [img=65,65]http://chineseculture.about.com/library/symbol/small/spirit.gif[/img] bejing fight club Gender: Posts: 182 [/td][td=1,1,80%][table=98%][tr][td][/td][td]Re: Zhaobao - Pushing hand , Chinese Jiao, Sanda « Reply #8 on: Aug 25th, 2006, 12:38am »[/td][td] Quote Modify [/td][/tr][/table]thanks for that john. by the way, there are other taiji teachers in china that train that way. jay"s teacher (shen tiegen, wu style)teaches it like that, and i think chen yu (mo ling"s teacher)also trains that way. [/td][/tr][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td][/td][td] Logged[/td][/tr][/table][color=#660000]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Beijing_Fight_Club [/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table][table=98%][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td=1,2,20%]BaguaMonk Great Old One I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Gender: Posts: 507 [/td][td=1,1,80%][table=98%][tr][td][/td][td]Re: Zhaobao - Pushing hand , Chinese Jiao, Sanda « Reply #9 on: Aug 25th, 2006, 12:52am »[/td][td] Quote [color=#660000] Modify[/size] [/size][/td][/tr][/table]I agree. Although I don"t view it as strictly SC, I think throwing, realistically and for martial purposes is very important. My old teacher didn"t even explain too much advandced theory (most of us already knew it) until we practiced alot. Not because we couldn"t understand, but because all it does sometimes is cause confusion. The old theories are there to be decoded in a very real sense, but it seems that nowdays people take things too literally. Many newcomers, and westeners alike just don"t think the way the old mystics did. And those who can decode them, still have a hard time explaining to the skeptics. If people could only see that Taiji is not magical, or invincible, it has very real scientific explanation to nearly everything. [/td][/tr][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td][/td][td] Logged[/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table][table=98%][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td][table=98%][tr][td=1,2,20%][color=#660000]Dai Rui Mingjing I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Gender: Posts: 52 [/td][td=1,1,80%][table=98%][tr][td][/td][td]Re: Zhaobao - Pushing hand , Chinese Jiao, Sanda « Reply #10 on: Aug 25th, 2006, 4:10am »[/td][td][color=#660000] Quote [color=#660000] Modify[/size] [/size][/td][/tr][/table]I think this video and others like it are good ways to introduce taiji to young people. Even here in CHina, when i tell people I practice zhaobao tjq, they often think its just an exercise for old people. 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