标题：Taiwan Taichi masters - 3 of 6 were Hu Lei .

chessman71 Huajing I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 280 Re: A Different Chen Flavor « Reply #22 on: Jul 14th, 2006, 7:18pm » Quote Modify -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a big mess. So confusing. Let me see if I can clear it up. The six people that brought Chen style to Taiwan are: Du Yu-ze -- lao jia and hu lei jia (17th generation, highest level person to bring Chen to Taiwan) Guo Qing-shan -- xiao jia Wang Jin-rang -- zhaobao hu lei jia (he taught Xiong Wei) Wang Meng-bi -- lao jia (Chen Fa-ke"s student, teacher to Tony Yang of the Wu Tan group) Wang He-lin -- lao jia (also Chen Fa-ke"s student) Pan Yong-zhou (Pan Wing Chou) -- lao jia and zhao bao hu lei jia (teacher to James McNeil and others) I almost can"t believe this. Three out of the six people that brought Chen style to Taiwan did the zhaobao/hu lei jia. What kind of coincidence is that? That"s just unreal. Was zhaobao and huleijia that popular in old China? Here are some sources: http://163.17.222.10:81/taiji/htm/2-3.htm (good lineage tree -- doesn"t quite match page below) http://www.chen-taichi.org/Intro/movenames.htm (Pan"s curriculum) http://www.taichi.org.tw/Circulation/at_taiwan.htm (a list of the six, what they studied and who they studied from, may contain errors -- doesn"t quite match lineage tree) As far as the names go, BE VERY CAREFUL! It gets real confusing. What we know as xiao jia is called xin jia and what we know as zhao bao and/or huleijia is being called xiao jia. Regarding the linear nature of the forms, the Du lineage seems to practice them in a very linear way. All my pictures of Du have him in reaaallly extended, open, linear postures. Too much for my taste and I practice this lineage, too. Those of you through the Wu Tan lineage may have an added baji influence to the Chen. I"ve been told 5-6 times that Chen style is exactly the same as baji by Wu Tan people. That would accentuate the linear tendencies already there. On a side note, McNeil"s version of Pan"s material looks more linear than other students of Pan. I"m not sure why. Maybe crosstraining by him or them? Who knows. Finally, either xiaojia or huleiji is usually taught in between the yi lu (sometimes called lao jia) and er lu (pao chui) here in Taiwan. The idea is that xiaojia and zhaobao/huleijia help the transition bewteen the yi lu and er lu because they are basically the yi lu done all over again, but with more faijing (edit: ok, that isn"t technically true, but it seems to be part of the thinking). So they act as a bridge between yo li and er lu. Most of the groups I know of (Du"s, Pan"s, etc.) do that. Wang Meng-bi and Wang He-lin"s groups may be an exception since they "only" (haha) studied lao jia. I have more at my blog (including pictures) for those of you interested in this stuff: http://chessman71.wordpress.com/2006/07/15/taiwan-chen-style/ Dave C. « Last Edit: Jul 15th, 2006, 5:58am by chessman71 »

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